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室友问我为什么科学不能代替宗教,我的回答

rebecca  ·  2020年11月24日 我不是品葱的神,但是后来发生了一些事情

因为科学是一种通过实验获取知识的方式。

然而实验很贵,不是每个人都做得起,绝大多数时候我们只能(根据某种判定标准)相信别人的实验成果。

比如闫丽梦那篇论文(新冠病毒中国制造),基本上是恶意灌水,但很多人信以为真,因为大多数人没有机会成为科学家,也不具备判断论文可信度的技能,他们唯一的判定标准就是脑海中的某种信仰,比如相信共产党必然作恶。

生活上的知识也是一样的,比如老公/老婆应该怎么找,有钱人可以不断试错,穷人就没有这个机会。然而穷人也是要找老婆的,既然相关的知识经验没法通过实验获取,那就必须参考别人的实验成果。宗教就有这样的作用——三大宗教对两性关系的描述,比任何九年义务制教科书都丰富,即便其中的很多观点可能与科研成果/普世价值冲突。

换句话讲,虽然通过大量实验,科学可以解释世界上一切可重复的现象,但由于每个人都是不同的(财富、地位、etc),别人身上的实验成果对自己未必适用,所以科学不能回答类似“人应该怎么做”这样的问题——至少不能简洁、低成本地回答。

而宗教并不依赖于可重复的实验——作为自然选择的产物,其存在的合理性是无需通过实验证明的,因此宗教能低成本地对人类问题给出简洁、有说服力且操作性强的答案,在这个竞争层面上,科学没有办法代替宗教。

阿塞拜疆和亚美尼亚打仗,土耳其应该支持谁?科学是不可能给出答案的,我们没办法做两次实验比较结果。但宗教可以瞬间给出答案。

室友接着问我,那科学家有没有可能建立整个世界的模型,设置不同初始条件,运行几次对比结果,得出结论呢,比如直接告诉我 我未来的老公是谁 那我绝对不会再去算命

我的回答:做不到。量子力学 + 蝴蝶效应,以及消除这两者影响所需的庞大开支,都会严重限制实验规模。

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  1. Caritas  

    尬答一发:

    因为科学里面没有Caritas(“爱”)最纯粹的体现。

    Deus caritas est

    因为神就是爱 (约翰一书 4:8)

  2. 邹韬奋 外逃贪官CA
    邹韬奋   虽然韬光养晦,亦当奋起而争(拜登永不为奴:h.2047.one)

    权力厌恶真空。科学的实证主义必然留下真空(不能证实也不能证伪的东西太多了),这些真空必然被各种形而上学所填补,宗教是其中最有力的一支。而且不仅是传统意义上的“神的宗教”,世俗宗教,如民族主义,马克思主义和拜物教也能占据大量社会空间。

  3. 沉默的广场  

    @Caritas #114571

    不过啊,咳咳,caritas这个水平比agape还是差了一点~~

  4. Caritas  

    @沉默的广场 #114590 之前膜乎每个月有一次机会可以改名,从Agape改成caritas之后就要收钱换户口了,我就懒得再改了。agape,caritas,charity虽然词形不同,但爱意不变的~

  5. MasterChief 自由騎士
    MasterChief   先知指引的騎士.The prophecy is uncertain, there's always hope.

    @Caritas #114571 似乎墙国教育体系内的人的认知都是把科学与宗教二元对立起来,好像牛顿和伽利略都是反迷信的斗士。呵呵呵。不仅要修改自己的历史,还要修改解读别人的历史。。。这种认知是共产无神论世界观的延续。实际上牛顿工作的剑桥大学三一学院是教会背景,宗教改革以后的西方对思想领域要比中国士大夫宽容的多,非神职人员也可以分散解经、平行解经、辩论,不再是神职垄断。这反而是科学得以发展的思想基础。

    “科学”一词在中文里面就更可笑了,科学做饭,科学上网,科学发展······这已经变成了一个意为“我无比神圣正确合理”的形容词褒义词。

    宗教的本质是道德规范,人类行为准则的共识,她帮助人们战胜焦虑,恐惧,防止傲慢、贪婪、色欲、嫉妒、暴食、愤怒及怠惰(人类的残暴,邪恶大部分来自心理不健康,戾气)。科学是SCI,研究自然规律。基本上是两个不同的领域。功能都不一样,根本不存在谁取代谁这种可能。

  6. minjohnz   实在太忙,恕不回复,我不认为现代文明或传统文化是完美的

    科学研究的是电视剧剧情背后的逻辑。 宗教是对电视机原理的想象,体现了人们的愿望,愿意相信这原理,不用任何证明,也无法证明,本来就是不可知的。

    They are in two total different, even opposite territories, so, science have never proved and can never prove religion.

    Let me draw an analogy.

    By studying tv drama, we can know nothing about how the television work,

    those who get a glimpse of other channel don't know about it better than you either.

    The First Cause is unnamable,

    It is as if we are living within a serialized television drama.

    Science studies the logic behind the development of the drama, including the drama of the so-called evolution of nature.

    Religion is the imagination of the principle of the television set (the stage of the drama) and embodies the wishes of people.

    They want to believe in some imagining of an ultimate principle of this stage/Tv.

    It doesn't matter that there is no proof, because they want to believe it.

    Nor can it be proved, because this ultimate mystery is inherently unknowable.

    The creator (author) could be typing at random. We just happen to be living in a readable novel in which logic seems to be at work, but not really, and it is the typer who creates all the illusions that is really at work.

    It doesn't matter who the author is. (It is the eternal ultimate question and secret, hidden not only behind all that we sense, but also by all the concepts we imagine, including the Tao, God and emptiness.

    One might think that the creator (the author) is so important that all meaning depends on him. But is the meaning of an author complete if he has no readers, especially the author of a detective novel? You might even ask: does he really have any meaning, no matter how big he is, how long he lives, or how great he is in any way?

    I asked my son the other day, when he was a little boy, "Is the sky blue?" ." No, at night it's black." He's clever." If there was a superman whose eyes could and always did see infrared or ultraviolet light, would the sky be blue or black for him?" Without the eyes of life, colour means nothing to the sky.

    Why should we doubt the meaning of life, why should we not doubt the meaning of the universe, or even the meaning of the creator. No matter how small we may be, no matter how short our lives may be.

    The meaning of life is to admire this process from birth to death.

    At the beginning, as a child we can only taste sweet,

    we reject all the bitterness.

    After growing, we may have a cup of coffee or tea everyday.

    If this world is kind of paradise, it would be boring eventually.

    If there is an author who is being called by someones as God,

    then we, the readers are the ones who fullfill his purpose.

    I don't think his work is just as simple as a fairy tale or a simple war story between two sides.

    Since there are so many people keep think shallowly, not good must evil, not rich must loser,

    I feel it is unfortunate for human being to have so many tools of high techonology, just like a boy playing huge knife.

  7. JW  

    科学只是支撑资本主义的工具,没有科学的研发新产品人们就不会掏钱去消费,没有消费整个资本链全断了。所以不管是国家还是科技公司都会掏出一大笔钱来支持科学,本质还是为了夺走平民赚取的钱,让平民一辈子当成工具来用。所以我还是更愿意相信宗教而不是所谓的科学,科学从来只是发现并研究现有事物,并没有能力创造出在这个世界上存有的这些完美生命体。

  8. linda 回复 JW /p/209109

    世上哪来完美生命体

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  12. 朽棺   他到来。他离去。其他什么都没改变。我没改变,世界没改变。但一切都将不同,剩下的只有梦和奇怪的回忆。

    那是你没听过科学教

  13. 房产何攀17369003626 浪人
    房产何攀17369003626   身份证: 510623199908116512

    根本不是一个维度的东西。 科学又不是信仰。